Digital Nomad Stories

From Backpacker to Travel Entrepreneur: Finding Purpose, Love, and Digital Nomad Insights from Georgia

• Anne Claessen • Season 2 • Episode 148

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Ever dreamt of tossing aside the mundane, selling everything you own, and trotting off around the globe? Bailey Lammon did just that. Inspired by a solitary hike, Bailey transformed from a travel enthusiast into a full-time digital nomad. 

She shares her personal journey of this shift from a world explorer to an expert travel planner, along with the roller-coaster of emotions and enlightening moments she encountered. Listen in to hear Bailey’s tale of how she converted her passion for travel into a successful online business.

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Journey of a Digital Nomad

Anne Claessen

Hey Nomads , welcome to Digital Nomad Stories , the podcast . My name is Anik Lassen and , together with my co-host , kendra Hosse , we interview digital nomads . Why ? Because we want to share stories of how they did it . We talk about remote work , online business , location independency , freelancing , travel and , of course , about the digital nomad lifestyle . Do you want to know more about us and access all previous episodes ? Visit digitalnomadsco . Alright over to Kendra for today's interview .

Kendra Hasse

Welcome to Digital Nomads . Though it's the podcast , my name is Kendra and I'm your host today . Today I'm joined by Bailey Lammon and she transitions from a full-time traveler to a full-time digital nomad while she's working as a travel planner , and in our conversation before she said she loves to get to know humans and I love to scroll , and that's why I'm super excited to have her here today . Welcome , Bailey . Thank you so much for having me . Where are you right now ? Why are we having this conversation ?

Bailey Lammon

I'm currently in Sigmund Nagy , georgia . It's the wine country in Georgia Cuckhattie region . Oh , excited .

Kendra Hasse

I think that's a cool destiny where later we can talk about . But to start , it would be nice to hear a little bit about your story , about you as a person . So for you , the Digital Nomad story started really with being a big picker , right ?

Bailey Lammon

Yeah , so basically I was living in Seattle , washington , and I was working at the headquarters for Big Coffee Corporation and it was a funny twist of events that brought me there anyways . But I thought maybe I would be able to climb the corporate ladder and be able to use my anthropology degree for this big corporation to do good things for the world . And in the end my soul was just crushed a bit and I didn't know how to get out of it . I didn't know what my next step would be . I was applying for all these jobs and I just , I don't know , wasn't feeling the vibes , so to say .

Bailey Lammon

As too many of us happened , yeah , exactly , and I had only traveled out of the country one time in my whole life before . That was on a two week vacation in 2019 , which is like such a typical American story . And while I was just going through this really rough time in my life , like I broke up with my boyfriend , I was struggling with work . I was like what the hell am I doing with my life ? And then I can avid hiker . And so one day I was just climbing this mountain by myself , like struggling my way up , and when I got to the top , it just like was so bursting of like adrenaline and confidence and I was like what the heck am I doing with my life ? Now's the time I'm going to figure it out sitting on top of this mountain and I just had this like epiphany .

Bailey Lammon

That was like , well , you know , if you know , money didn't matter , time didn't matter , what would you do with your life ? And in that moment I was like I would travel the world and on the whole way back down the mountain by myself , hiking down , I just plan the entire thing out like I'm going to leave at the end of my lease , I'm going to sell my car , I'm going to make a bunch of money like in all these ways , and I'm going to start in Barcelona , because that's the only place practically I've been and I know in Spain anyways , barcelona came later , but I knew I'd start in Spain and by the time I got to my car I just had it completely figured out . And so yeah , six months later I sold everything I owned , my lease ended and then I started backpacking . That was the story of how I started .

Kendra Hasse

That sounds nice . And how did you feel in this moment , hiking down the hill like the mountain , making all the plans .

Bailey Lammon

Oh man , it just felt like the most right moment of my entire life , like maybe start crying thinking about it , just realizing you know , after all , these self-published books I read as like a young adult and just like wow , like realizing that the whole world just like opened up for me in that moment was just the best , the best feeling ever .

Kendra Hasse

And then you said like half a year later , you really started in this half a year . Did you have some moments of doubt or like how was this preparation phase for you ?

Bailey Lammon

I loved this preparation phase because it was like such a roller coaster and I think I don't know if I had too much doubt because I knew that I was going to do it . Like I was so convinced that the move and no matter what anyone told me like this is what I'm doing , even if I only lasted one month or six months , like I didn't care . I think the funniest thing was like how many times I wrote in my journal like am I crazy ? Is this actually crazy ? And I did so many crazy things . Like I was getting all these jobs .

Bailey Lammon

I once flew to Phoenix , arizona , to like meet this random person that I met from a person that was supposed to give me a job , and it ended up being amazing . Like I was going to work for the PGA tour , traveling around doing data collection for them . Just this job like fell in my lap . It was honestly like the universe was like doing that thing where it conspires for you , and then you just start doing all these extra crazy things and you think that that's right . And then you do it and you're like I'm actually crazy . Like am I killing myself right now ? But then it all works out and it was nuts , but best time of my life .

Bailey Lammon

Not really the year after was the best time of my life . But this was such a fun and exciting time . But I think the hardest thing was getting through to my parents who were like what are you trying to prove and I don't know , worried about me and stuff . But I knew this was the path .

Kendra Hasse

I remember this time . I feel it's really when , as you just describe , it's just a sign that it's your way , you're on the right way . So universe like collaborating , co-creating with you , and okay , how do I talk to my parents ? Nice , and then you start it . And how long have you been a backpacker ?

Bailey Lammon

so I actually this is a crazy . This is one of those crazy stories I started just before COVID . Like I left in February of 2020 , so that beginning time was yikes . You know , I left , I was in Barcelona for like two weeks and then the world shut down like everything . And so , you know , I was in that crazy moment where it was like do you go home ? Do you stick it out ? Is it gonna be two weeks ? I had one doubt moment where I was like , okay , maybe I'll go home , and I called my dad and I said like okay , dad , like should I come home ? And I was so surprised because he actually told me no , but for the bad reason , you know , because he was like , if you come home , when you bring COVID , like your mom is immunocompromised , like you could kill her , and I was like , okay , yeah , great , well , I won't come home because I don't want to hurt anybody and I didn't want to come home anyways .

Bailey Lammon

I was on this journey for a long time and so I stayed . I stayed in Barcelona . I got an Airbnb . I spent half of my savings basically just living by myself in the windowless apartment while the world shut down . It was super crazy . So that was the beginning of a puncher it , but after , like , I was in , I was in Spain for like four and a half months and when I got out I was able to kind of navigate like which countries were still open , which ones , you know , could I get in , without tests or , you know , at that time , without vaccinations of course , and kind of bounced around and just made it work and had a brilliant time .

Kendra Hasse

Great , yeah , so you had like also the flexibility to see to which countries you can go in that COVID time , because you didn't have this strict plan you needed to follow .

Bailey Lammon

Yeah , exactly . I mean , yeah , I had like kind of the original idea that I would just travel all around central Europe , kind of like most backpackers do from the States . But because my visa expired , of course , while I was like sitting in this apartment , I kind of only had a few options . So I ended up going to the UK and I spent a month there working in hostel and then I went over to Croatia and because Eastern Europe was like basically mostly open , I spent a month traveling around Croatia and then I went to Turkey and actually it was crazy because so many people were in Turkey like all of the backpackers were flooding to Turkey , because it was one of the only countries I was open , so I spent some time there . That's where I met my boyfriend .

Kendra Hasse

So I also want to talk about this boyfriend , as we have talked , but let's keep ones in your story . So then you are traveling as a backpacker in COVID times , having jobs from here to there to live , and then you said you in some point you became a digital norm . But so what is really for you the difference from being a backpacker than being like a digital norm ? It's a really good question .

Bailey Lammon

It's taken me years to kind of , I think , fully make this transition , because during COVID , like everything was locked down , of course . So it was like , what else do you do ? I wasn't working , I had no , I had nothing but a laptop and a Kindle in this apartment and I actually ended up starting to trade in the stock market . I found it super fascinating and it was like the most brilliant time to be a stock trader , because the market was going crazy and it was awesome because that actually helped me to travel for like a whole another year , just kind of messing around and like learning technical analysis

Transitioning From Backpacker to Digital Nomad

Bailey Lammon

and this kind of stuff . But I wouldn't consider that like my digital norm at days . This is like just to keep me going , because I knew , like the moment that I started traveling , like I had this idea okay , I will travel for one year , I'll figure out my life or something , hoping that I would just kind of find something along the way , and I knew the stock trading wasn't forever . But it was just like how do I keep this going ? How do I you know , because I spent half my budget just sitting in COVID times like how do I keep traveling now that I actually get to be a traveler . I tried to learn how to be a you know English teacher online . This was just not for me . It's for a lot of people a lot of people I know really like it , but I did not get the grasp . So I was trading again . I'm my boyfriend , who is also a stock trader , which is kind of how we like got to know each other . So we were trading and traveling together and then eventually the market started slowing down and I was like , okay , like what do I do ? Because I'm not good enough to keep trading . I don't , you know , even hit the PD2 rule , which is just this crazy . You know , if you don't have enough money , then you have to follow all these rules , and it was really difficult to actually make a living . So I actually got on to Upwork and this was something I kind of tried to do in 2019 , when I was like trying to save money for traveling .

Bailey Lammon

I was doing all these different random jobs and I got back on Upwork in 2021 and just started taking on whatever I could find , like one job . I , I like connected somebody that I had met in Bosnia who lived in Belgium , and this guy was traveling from America or he lived in Romania and was traveling to the Netherlands for surgery . Anyways , I connected these people for money . It worked and I , just as I continued to take on different jobs through Upwork , I kind of like found that I was applying for more and more virtual assistant jobs , but not because I wanted to be a virtual assistant , but because I could do the travel planning and this is like such a job that a virtual assistant does .

Bailey Lammon

And then I just kind of slowly , slowly started taking on more travel planning jobs and eventually found myself planning someone's entire year trip around the world and that was like a huge undertaking and super awesome . And this is kind of how I started my business officially , like transferring from Upwork to having a business , and then I became a travel planner , like professional travel planner , and I've been doing that since , which was May of 2022 , so almost a year and a half . So this transition from like being a backpacker growing back to your question was like well before we go back to this question .

Kendra Hasse

I just knew like some listen us . Now I know that we lost them with the thoughts . Upwork that sounds like a cool possibility for me and so maybe we put like a little recommendations for them . So you just did your profile in Upwork and you applied via the platform to open positions , or did the people reach out to you ? Well , how did you do it ?

Bailey Lammon

yeah , in the beginning I was just spending hours like searching , browsing through all of the open positions and applying for anything that I even found remotely interesting or believed in myself for , because some of them I was like I don't know if I've never done this before , like blog writing . One time I took on a you know , I was like writing blogs for just some a random website about , like grass . Honestly , it was such a weird job , but it was something that I just thought maybe I could do , and so I was just applying and taking on like whatever someone would accept me for and eventually , like then I would start getting people to contact me . Once I started getting a few reviews , which was super nice . So for a little while I was getting people that were contacting me solely , and then I was getting enough work this way and . But originally , yeah , I was just browsing , like what do I want to do ? I don't even know , but I need money , so I'll , I'll , I'll , I'll do whatever .

Kendra Hasse

No , but thanks for this little . I think that's a nice inspiration for some who think , oh , I would like to be on the road but I don't know have to fix job yet my business is not paying me or the bill . So I work and I feel what you just said . Sometimes it's a little bit like searching all the time , doing little jobs until we have like some reviews and then we can get to other jobs and then eventually we realize we have a potential in a certain area where we can build our business , as you .

Bailey Lammon

Exactly . Yeah , it was just such a transition from like I have no idea what I would do to Wow , I can actually be a travel planner and I'm actually really good at it and I enjoy it . Like it was such a cool thing also to discover in myself .

Kendra Hasse

Yeah , so you said then . From then you decided to build your own business as a travel planner and that was a little bit for you like this condition and to becoming a digital normal .

Bailey Lammon

Yes , definitely , I was in South America at the time , like traveling through , running out of money , I think , just one of those crazy things that happens . You want this life so desperately and you just try everything and then the universe kind of drops out a little hint like okay , here you go . Here's like a little taste of what you really want . And , yeah , I got this like more full-time position , trying , you know , helping these people , this family , even travel around the world like full-time travel , like personal travel planner .

Bailey Lammon

And I wouldn't say this was like it wasn't like Monday on the backpacker Friday or the other way around . You know , monday on the digital , normal Friday on the backpacker . It was still kind of like we were traveling on whatever days we wanted , because I was working from my , you know , on my computer and we would just travel on a random Wednesday or we'd move every few days , or like we was still definitely in this backpacker mindset of like moving , moving , moving super fast , or saying one week and then moving , you know , every week or every few days . Still , I think the full transition didn't even come until really this year . I think I kind of pushed it off so hard Like I didn't want to slow down . I'm still so amped to keep traveling and keep exploring that it took a lot of force for me to kind of be like okay , I need to create a schedule , I need to be working these hours Monday through Friday just for my own brain to work . So yeah , that's been a recent thing . So now I'm officially a digital nomad .

Kendra Hasse

So just like if I , if I see , if I am the stuff for you , the digital nomad is really slowing down in the traveling not being like on the road over time , and really also structure your week , your travel plans , by a working schedule .

Bailey Lammon

Yeah , yeah , here's now . We travel like only on the weekends . You know we don't take off a day of work so much to travel , unless there's like a very specific flight . You know that's like half the cost to fly on a Tuesday rather than a Saturday or something like that . Or there's a three day weekend , like I just took my first ever three day holiday weekend , kind of digital nomad , but yeah , so traveling like only , yeah , only on the weekends and no , that's it . I think that's the only thing that I can really say is definite , like we stay now for one , two weeks minimum in one place and maximum like a month in one city or one house .

Kendra Hasse

Well , and I feel that's like some people say , oh , it's so less you know , because therefore , I need to stay three , four , five months in one place . So , logistics , video , right . For others , I feel it's something really like individual . And now I'm curious , because you told us your story and you started alone . You're alone in this apartment in Barcelona and now you're all the time talking about a week and you already gave a little hint , you met your boyfriend .

Kendra Hasse

Maybe you can , because this is also always an interesting topic how to meet a partner being on the road , and then this lifestyle . Maybe you can share a little bit about this .

Bailey Lammon

Yes , I have met many people on my travels , like you know , just casually , in hostels and couchsurfing , meetups and things like that . You know , meeting many people in general , and then also like ending up finding a small connection with a few here and there . But yes , I met my boyfriend in Istanbul at a hostel and we connected on our similar jobs . We were both trading stocks him much more seriously than me . I didn't really realize until later how much more of a professional stock trader he is Versus me . I was like just getting into it and really excited about it and interested and it's .

Bailey Lammon

I'm not really sure how to start this , but I think , like because I don't know , I'm so amped about like I'm super social and I'm super like move , move , move , meet everyone , hear their stories . I'm fascinated by everyone else's how they got traveling , why they're traveling , how long they're traveling . I think it was just kind of very serendipitous for me to meet someone who was also a full-time traveler and also stock trading and also really excited about seeing the world . Yeah , I don't really hear a lot of other people meeting like this , so maybe it's a bit unique . But yeah , what do you want to know ?

Kendra Hasse

No , I would ask you . It's still a little bit unique , but it might be the new way of dating in our digital know-it-life set . So maybe you just share some . What would you fear ? What were like some challenges you faced in this dating time and now also traveling with your partner ? What do you see as some , and also opportunities , like challenges , opportunities , maybe some little secret you would like to share with us on how to make this happen ?

Bailey Lammon

I think the secret is that you have to stay independent , which can also be such a struggle Because , like when you're both full-time travelers , it can get so difficult deciding where you want to go next , how long you're going to be there . What does your everyday life look like ? What kind of activities do you enjoy versus what they enjoy ? Do you spend all your time together ? Do you take breaks ? So I think , like for my boyfriend and I , we stay super independent , and this is something we've kind of like after three years . Now , you know , sometimes we're better at this than not .

Bailey Lammon

But I think the biggest struggles have come when we start to become a little bit codependent on each other and think like no , you shouldn't go there , because I want to go there with you , but I want to go here and you want to go here .

Bailey Lammon

So it's like always figuring out how do you make each other happy at the same time .

Bailey Lammon

And so we end up moving or splitting up , I guess , and sometimes that means just casually splitting up , like okay , hey , you know , I want to stay in Mexico one more week , whereas you want to travel to Peru , like now . So you got to Peru , I'll meet you there in a week , you know wherever , or sometimes we've fully broken up because we didn't know . You know what's this next step look like for us , like I need to do this with my life and you need to do this with your life , and so we're going to , you know , separate , because this could be one month , this could be three months , this could be a year where we might not see each other . So we're going to do what's best for us , or you know each other , and we're going to split up , luckily with Kali and Roy's kind of come back together , because we realized , like you know , how much better we are together , but if we didn't take these times apart , our relationship wouldn't be what it is .

Bailey Lammon

So I think that the fact that we do stay true to ourselves and say you know what ? This is what's best for me at this time and we have so much respect and love for each other to say , yeah , like I understand where you're at in your life , where I'm at my life , we're just going to do what we need , and if that means we come back together , that's amazing . And if not , then see you later . Like , thanks so much for being such a great part of my life .

Independent Travel Planning for Digital Nomads

Bailey Lammon

Yeah , I think the independence , like believing in yourself to be the you that you want to be in the world and trusting the other person to come the same way .

Kendra Hasse

Like it's interesting . I really hear this independence mindset in a relationship that we , as digital nomads , have this urge of freedom , of being independent and flexible , and now bringing it into this concept of relationship that usually is just dependent . So , yeah , that sounds also like really interesting and I think it's a good thought starter for some of our listeners .

Bailey Lammon

Yeah , I hope .

Kendra Hasse

And then . So then , now , as I like currently , you are like having your own business for traveling , to organize travels for other people , right ?

Bailey Lammon

Yes .

Kendra Hasse

And in the beginning you shared with me , like when we were talking . Say what , lee , that you create , like different styles of travels , yes , maybe . Maybe you can explain it a little bit with us , because I also think it's something interesting , because I feel as a digital nomad . We are all in a kind travel planner , right ? We put so much time in organizing logistics and buying flight tickets , train tickets , and think where do we go next , what do we do ? And maybe sometimes it's also a little piece of mind having someone who is doing it for you , in case you're not enjoying it so much , or the other way around , as you did it . See , oh , it's really something I like , so I could start making money out of it .

Bailey Lammon

Yes , yeah , there's so many ways to travel . It's crazy . And personally , what I do is mostly not plan , which is kind of surprising why I'm such a good planner for other people , because in the beginning and even up until now , it's like we plan for one week ahead of us and then we'll say , okay , well , you know , here's some ideas , but we'll really just go with the flow . But for other people they're not like that . They really need this structure , this plan , this perfect Airbnb or perfect hotel or , and I get it .

Bailey Lammon

The worst thing ever is jumping on a tour and it being like the worst tour ever and you're like , oh shit , I could have planned ahead . But I think that's maybe what my superpower is , also because I guess I'll get back to all these different ways that I plan . But for me , I kind of go through all of the hardship so that my clients don't have to . I buses and go to the wrong bus station because there's two bus stations . Oh my God , who knew ? So yeah , so I'm really an analytical person and so when I am searching for my own Airbnb or hostel you know I'm super detailed about it I'm like , okay , who has a more than two gas burners and this one has a shower that actually has a lit rather than just like an open bathroom , or this hostel has this , or this hotel has that . Like I'm so detailed about these things and I get really obsessed with them .

Kendra Hasse

I usually plan travels to the countries where you already have been , or do you also plan travels to countries that you haven't been to yet ?

Bailey Lammon

Yeah , that's the question I get all the time . I do both because I only have been . Okay , it's hard to say this only thing , but you know I've been to 27 countries , which is so amazing , and but at the same time you know there's 197 . So there's no way that I could plan only for these 27 countries , because then I would barely ever get any clients . The benefit is that I have this huge network of travel agents , so for places that I haven't been , I can use this network of people who have been and I've got so many friends around the world . Now that I can .

Bailey Lammon

I'm always messaging them like , hey , I'm planning a trip here . You lived in Dubai for six months . Like , tell me some things . You know , I'm leveraging my network and my friends to kind of end . Also , I read blogs like crazy and watch YouTube videos and read reviews and I'm just like really obsessed with these things . I have such a good time with it . So , yeah , I plan all over the world and specifically around the world , trips Like this is what I really am hoping to continue to focus on is helping people actually make this logistics of traveling around the world , because it's such a daunting task . It's a huge thing to put on your plate , and I'm ready to help people do that .

Kendra Hasse

And you said I see a car with Lee in Georgia . So let's picture this If I would like contact you now to plan my travel to Georgia , what would be like some ? What would you tell me Like ? What are like recommendations or whatever ? What should I be aware of ?

Bailey Lammon

Yes , well , I really like to get to know my clients like really personally . So I asked them all kinds of things like what are you actually interested in and how much time do you have , of course , and do you want to see just highlights ? Or I really love nature , I love hiking , I love finding these like serene spots to walk around in the green parts of cities , and then also adventure . So I guess my clients are really well . So , if you told me something like I want to drink wine because this is a big thing to do in Georgia , I want to hike some mountains and I want to get to know , you know , georgian culture .

Kendra Hasse

And then let's add to it that we are like digital nomads , that we need to have good Wi-Fi doing yes .

Bailey Lammon

The benefit of Georgia is that you can get unlimited SIM cards for super cheap . So even if you don't have great Wi-Fi somewhere here in Georgia , you can always switch over to your unlimited data package and be perfectly fine . For the day which happened to us while we were staying in the Thonitse region , which is the big mountains and the Wi-Fi and the power would cut out constantly in this guest house we were in , but we were perfectly fine working all day , because unlimited SIM cards , that's great .

Kendra Hasse

And , what I like , the some areas we need to visit in Georgia . Really , really beautiful color and even the Haus limelt at sunset and , like many new , much Silenceע . I'd rather open a distribution room for a middle-aged estate agent .

Bailey Lammon

Yeah , so definitely the Saquette region , which is the wine region . The two main places are Telavi and Signagi , which is where I'm at now , and the hospitality here is just unbelievable , like they're just people who want to make you feel like your home and give you lots of wine and conya , and conya can feed you big feasts and yeah , it's great . And then , of course , the Swannati region , which is like big mountains and really strong culture , beautiful , for , like , you can do multi-day hiking out there , like through hikes you can do some day hikes and just enjoy this big mountain region Amazing .

Kendra Hasse

And then it's Jaja , also a digital nomad country . So do you feel there's a huge digital nomad community ?

Bailey Lammon

Yes , there's a huge digital nomad community here in Tbilisi . It's super expat friendly . You can get a 12 month visa for free . You've got lots of really unique food . There's like a really good kind of I guess underground techno scene . It's beautiful architecture . Georgia is like just a very artsy kind of free country . It's amazing . Yeah , lots of digital nomads there .

Kendra Hasse

So now , if I want to think , wow , georgia could be my next stop , what are some advices or maybe some challenges they should have in mind ? Or is everything like super smooth ?

Bailey Lammon

Honestly , it's pretty smooth . I mean , if you know Russian , that's a big plus . But basically a lot of people speak English not a ton of people , but Google translate is super easy .

Travel Experiences and Digital Nomad Life

Bailey Lammon

You're going to take mini buses everywhere , so for some people that's not super nice , but you can also rent a car . The drivers in Georgia are a little bit rough . I think they say that in a lot of countries , but it is a little bit rough here and some parts worse than others . So , for example , you hear don't go to Chichete region on your own in a car because it's really dangerous . Heave the warning because it's probably really dangerous . But basically everywhere you can get by renting a car for super cheap is amazing little pockets . But if you don't want to rent a car , then you'll have to take the mini buses , and so if anyone has ever dropped a lot of mini bus nose , they're sick on them easily . So basically , just bring some Dramamine and everything else in this country will be easy and perfect .

Kendra Hasse

Cool , Thank you . One thing before we come to the end of the podcast . As I said in the beginning , I really love their comment that you love to get to know humans . So and you already shared that you love to ask about their stories . So what are usually questions you're asking and what are interesting answers you're getting ?

Bailey Lammon

Well , when I say I love to get humans , love to get to know humans , I do mean everyone , like especially travelers , because I'm so fascinated by them , but also by the local people and I really love learning about their past and what they are taught in school and what they know about other countries and what their religions teach them . And men yeah , everything . Just getting to know people's culture locally can teach you so much about this world . So what do I normally hear from people ? I mean you get like the kind of same human story , right , like everyone wants to be loved and love themselves and everyone wants a good job and to be able to take care of themselves , take care of their family , and you don't really hear that everyone always wants to travel . When you get locally , unless you speak to travelers , then you hear that they want to have a good time . And would you ?

Kendra Hasse

say that your life cycle currently brings you the love that we are all seeking for .

Bailey Lammon

Yes and no . I actually would probably lean more towards no , which is really a sad thing . I think that's the one thing that is the hardest about being a digital nomad is , no matter how many awesome people that you meet and good times that you have on the weekends , I think that there's still this little bit of a lack of the roots of the community , unless you stay for a long enough time , but then you kind of still end up in a spot where you leave and have to kind of start over . And so being a digital nomad yeah , I think this is the hardest thing , which I also hear from many , many others is they want to make real friends and do that kind of stuff , get lonely . Even traveling with a boyfriend , I would still say it can get a little bit lonely , and if you don't take that time and make the effort to make the friends and stay connected with your loved ones at home , then you don't get all the love and happiness that I think everyone craves .

Kendra Hasse

And do you fear ? We can make this meaningful connection and this friends being like with other digital nomads that are on the road and staying connected digitally .

Bailey Lammon

Oh is this yeah , I mean , most of my relationships are digitally and , to be honest , that is usually enough for me . Like I , you know the people that I do want to stay connected with . As long as you know , I'm kind of that annoying friend that like replies to every story and like I'm the weird and that like posts on this , you know Nephew's posts and whatever , like hope you're doing well or this looks awesome , and . But this is the way that I really feel like I do stay connected , especially thanks to social media . I didn't have social media . This would , this would not work , but I do feel like it's possible to keep really good connections . It just takes effort Climb .

Kendra Hasse

So I yeah , and I feel it's really like this balance , for me at least between I really want to stay connected to the loved ones back home , or you met doing travel links and you really feel well from this little seat we met once you know they can really bless them a beautiful friendship , but this all digitally , versus really making this effort of meeting new people in person at the new place where you are , while you are having like this , this hard work life because of the decision , because we also need to make our money , so it's like this continuously dance between it .

Bailey Lammon

Yeah , it's all cyclical emotions , relationships , money , adventure . Yeah , everything has its ups and downs , sure .

Kendra Hasse

And now talking about what I feel and that's , on the other end , also the beauty about it right , with little new magics here and there we could have not imagined that are just happening , we are able to go with it though Exactly . Yeah , anything else . You would like to share anything ? I didn't ask you anything you feel that needs to be heard from you in this episode .

Bailey Lammon

Well , hopefully my ABA student take me down too many rabbit holes without answering any questions . So I just hope that , like you know , even if you don't feel like and I guess this is kind of where my job comes in it's like even if you don't feel like you're capable of doing all of the logistics , because it is a huge task to continuously travel , but I hope that you still take the leap and seek out support , because there are people who are ready to help and might not even cost as much as you think , or maybe you can get free advice or you know nowadays that we live in such a connected society . There's always somebody out there who can help you get to the hard parts of figuring out how to make your dreams come true . So if you have a dream and you want to come true , look for the people who can help you .

Kendra Hasse

I love it . That's amazing . I think that's a nice quote also from you to finish , and if anyone wants to contact you , maybe wants to talk a little bit more about your story , or even is considering reaching out for your support for the next travel planning , we will put your link in the show notes so everyone can find you there , and contact you there .

Bailey Lammon

The best place to find me is Instagram . I have my website , of course , anyone can go there , but the best place is definitely Instagram . I'm not always on it , but I will always respond within 24 hours , that's good to know , cool .

Kendra Hasse

Thank you so much for your time and thank you , maybe our travel plans . Course , I didn't ask you what is your next destination after Georgia . Do you already know ?

Bailey Lammon

Yes to the couple places Armenia , dubai to end up in India . So that's our next big one is India , and then some countries to get there .

Kendra Hasse

Great , so anyone who's planning to go to India , maybe we'll meet you there .

Bailey Lammon

Yes , please , that would be super fun .

Kendra Hasse

Great , thank you . I wish you a nice day .

Bailey Lammon

Thank you to your kindra .

Anne Claessen

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